CHUCK MOONCHOW IS MY GURU



CHUCK MOONCHOW 1984 by MIKE McCARTHY

The CHUCK MOONCHOW Interview
by JOHN MICHAEL McCARTHY

Chuck Moonchow is an oddity. Born in West Virginia he soon left home in his early teens to pursue the wild life in California. There, his intellet was shaped by the beatnks and hippies of the time. Chuck became a rambling guru, the free-spirit he is today.

In the winter of 1978 I met Chuck. He had just moved Mississippi to live iwth his folks. Over deer steak and pre-sweetened tea Chuck toldstories of barbarians, bigfoot, and tornadoes. I was awestruck.

I always kept in touch with Chuck. I listened to his philosophiesthru movies and card games.

In 1983, he met my friends George and John and we began our extended excursion into Dungeons and Dragons. We haven't seen Chuck much since then mor heave we played D&D. What would be the point without Chuck?

To give you another taste of CHUCK MOONCHOW, here is an example of the freestyle eulogy he pioneered in his (Baldwyn, Mississippi) kitchen, as recorded in the spring of 1987:

(Begun as a song...)

"TO LIVE AND DIE WITH DEATH...AND THE TRUTH WILL BE THE LAST BREATH...FOR WE WILL - " (Chuck stops singing) ...NO... It's not right. To live and die the last death should be...only what it should be. ..only what it should be. to live the last death and the truth shall be OUR last breath, for we will not ask no one the way to die, we will not cry, no, we will not cry....no, no, no, not die. To live and die is to LIVE AND DIE! IT IS THE WAY WE LIVE AND DIE.. for we live and we give all of our lives, to live and die. For there is only one way we exist and that is to live and die.

I am not a singer. I am only CHUCK MOONCHOW. I can't be a singer. My words, if you listen to 'em, is true enough. For I can't be no truer. They are a part of my mind that gets on this tape. They seem like words of a piece of paper. They wanted to give the words of my mind of the paperbut I couldn't give 'em. I only had to give 'em of my heart. What I say is words. Not much wisdom but a whole lotta truth. This is all I have to say as CHUCK MOONCHOW. Thank you... Thank you.

Here is an interview I conducted with Chuck in the winter of 1989 (January).

FRIENDSHIP & END TIMES

JMM: Chuck, what have you been doing these last few years?
CHUCK: TRYING TO KEEP, UH, OH I GUESS YOU COULD HONESTLY SAY THAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GRASP THE LIFESTYLE OF MY OWN LIFESTYLE. I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE LIFESTYLE OF THE PRIMITIVES I HAVE BEEN LIVING AROUND. (laughter, Chuck's sister Candy thinks he's talking about her...)
JMM: What did you think about the atmosphere of the '80's? Now that's over with.
CHUCK: WELL ACTUALLY WE STILL HAVE ONE MORE YEAR, AND WITHIN THAT YEAR IT CAN COMPLETELY UNDERMINE THE WHOLE BACKGROUND OF THE '80'S!
JMM: You think on year could undermine everything Reagan has put into motion?
CHUCK: THAT ONE YEAR COULD BE COMPLETE SUBTOTAL OF ALL THOSE YEARS AND COULD BE A COMPLETE CATASTROPHE AND DISASTER.
JMM: What's your prediction for 1989?
CHUCK: IT WILL BE FOUND OUT THAT REAGAN WAS MORE OR LESS A PUSSYCAT COMPARED TO BUSH.
JMM: But what will happen in 1989?
CHUCK: ALTERNATE LIFESTYLES....CHANGE OF MANY NATIONS,INCLUDING THE USA. IF MAN DECIDES TO VENTURE FORWARD IN THE STAR WARS ACT THAT WILL HAVE TO PASS, AND THOSE WHO LIVE IN THE OLD WAYS WILL COME TO PASS TOO.
JMM: We were all such good friends, Chuck. What makes people drift apart?
CHUCK: THE DRIFTING APART OF FRIENDS IS THE SAME WAY THAT FAMILIES CAN OFTEN DRIFT APART. PEOPLE FORGET THE REAL VALUE OF THEIR LIVES AND THE PEOPLE AROUND THEM.
JMM: What will happen in the Nineties to our friendships?
CHUCK: YOU PERCEIVE AN ALTERATION OF FRIENDSHIP ON TOP OF FRIENDSHIP. A NEW FRIENDSHIP THA WE MAKE WILL OVERCOME AND OVERRIDE THE OLD. THIS IS THE CHANGING OF THE NEW THAT I SPOKE OF IN THE '80'S.
JMM: Do you think the world will end in our lifetime?
CHUCK: THAT IS A PREDICTION THAT I CANNOT PERCEIVE. THOSE INSIGHTS HAVE NOT BEEN GRANTED TO ME.
JMM: How important is friendship to you?

(At this point in the conversation Chuck says he must leave the phone...)

JMM: Okay Chuck, you perceived that our friendships would be redefined in the '90's like you said the entire decade of the '80's would be defined by the last year. So I want you to explain that. How do you redefine something that's already been set into motion?
CHUCK: TO REDEFINE ONE DECADE OR A FRIENDSHIP...TO BE ABLE TO ALTER EVERYTHING AT THAT LAST MOMENT...AT THAT LAST PERIOD OF TIME. FOR INSTANCE; WE KNOW THAT EVERYTHING THAT HAS TOOK PLACE INTHE LAST EIGHT YEARS WAS THE DOING OF RONALD WILSON REAGAN. EVEN THOUGH HIS LAST NAMES CORRESPOND WITH 666, HE IS THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS EVER HELD OFFICE AS A COINCIDENCE WITH THAT PATTERN OF NUMBERS IN HIS NAME. SO TO REDEFINE WHAT HE HAS DONE TO THE UNITED STATES AND TO REDEFINE FRIENDSHIP OF PEOPLE ITSELF IS TO ALTER, AND BECOME... A PART OF THE NEW. AND THE NEW TO BECOME A PART OF US.
JMM: And you took a long breath when I asked you would the world end in our lifetime. Would you care to speculate?
CHUCK: YES! CITIES THAT WE KNEW AT ONE TIME TO BE GREAT...WILL BE NO MORE!
JMM: Which cities?
CHUCK: CITIES THAT ARE PART OF THE STAR WARS.
JMM: Which cities? What are the old cities you are talking about?
CHUCK: LOS ANGELES, NEW YORK, CHICAGO, HONG KONG. ALL WILL BE NO MORE. BECAUSE OF THE GREAT EARTHQUAKE.
JMM: What date would you put on this?
CHUCK: FROM THE OLD WILL COME THE NEW...
JMM: What date?
CHUCK: SOMEPLACE AROUND MAY 22, 1989.
JMM: Okay. How important is friendship to you Chuck?
CHUCK: IT DEPENDS ON THE GREATNESS OF THE FRIENDSHIP AND TO DEFINE FRIENDSHIP IN A GREAT MANNER: FRIENDSHIP CAN BE NO GREATER FOR A FRIEND TO GIVE HIS LIFE FOR A FRIEND. THAT'S THE GREATEST.
JMM: Okay.
CHUCK: AND THE LOWEST, FOR A FRIEND TO ABANDON A FRIEND IN NEED.
JMM: If the universe could be assigned a number, what would it be?
CHUCK: THREE.

THE D&D YEARS ('83-84).

JMM: Looking back on our great D&D trilogy that you, George Cole, John Prescott and I played, what are you thoughts on that now?
CHUCK: WONDERMENT, FANTASY, FICTION, A TOUCH OF MEDIEVAL REALITY...OF THE 14TH, 15TH, 16TH CENTURY.

Once again Chuck leaves the phone, the conversation picks up again the next night.

JMM: What are words that describe Chuck Moonchow?
CHUCK: FICTION, THEORY, FACT, FOUR IS LIFE.
JMM: What did you think of the tactics of Sarcaz in our '83 D&D game?
CHUCK: WHO?
JMM: Sarcaz! George Cole. ...In the D&D Game.
CHUCK: I DON'T KNOW.
JMM: You know. Remember? He hit you with a lightning bolt in the crotch.
CHUCK: DEFINIZE.
JMM: What do you mean "definize?"
CHUCK: DEFINIZE!
JMM: Well I can't. I'm relying on you to remember back to our D&D game and remember Sarcaz but if thats...lets's just skip that one, Chuck.

Chuck is incoherent over the phone.

JMM: Were Sarcaz's tactics ethical against you? When you were "Draziw the Wizard"?
CHUCK: GEORGE WAS IRRESPONSIBLE! HIS TACTICS WERE THOSE OF ADOLESCENTS! HE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO ATATCK. BUT HE KNEW, BUT HE DID NOT KNOW THE THINGS HE HAD TO GO AGAINST...FOR THE SIMPLE REASON WHY HE COULD NOT DO IT.
JMM: Are we all Misfits and Outcasts?
CHUCK: WE ARE DRIFTING IN EMBRYOS. IN THE WOMB OF A WOMAN, THE WATER OF LIFE FLOWS ALL AROUND US AND WE EXIST WITHIN IT. BUT WE ONLY RE-EXIST. AND WE ENTER AND OUTER THE WOMB OF LIFE.
JMM: You were at a peak in popularity a few years ago Chuck, but now you've gone underground. Why is that?
CHUCK: MY LIFE HAS REVOLVED AROUND ANOTHER CENTER AND THIS LIFE EXISTS AND DIES AROUND THIS CENTER. AND IS ASK YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW THIS LIFE AND DEATH?
JMM: Well, yes...
CHUCK: THIS LIFE AND DEATH IS SIMPLE. WE EXIST MERELY TO UNDERSTAND AND COMPREHEND THE ULTIMATE TRUTH. AND THAT TRUTH IS: THERE IS NO RIGHT, THERE IS NO WRONG, THERE JUST IS!

To be continued in Part 2...

"CHUCK MOONCHOW IS MY GURU"



"DRAZIW"
pencils by CHUCK
inks by MIKE M.

I don't think I've ever had a dream that didn't come true. I was lonely and I was granted friends. It's funny how it still works that way. The friend you need is the one you find. Like a poor kid at Christmas I didn't know what I was getting, but I got 'em.

They came in a trinity.

Two sisters and a brother from West Virginia. Mary, Charles, and Louella Gibson. I had crushes on all of them. Mary had a glam name. She called herself Candy and I had a big imagination as to why. I wrote a song about her when she was alive called CANDY AND THE GANG and I wrote a song about her when she died called CANDYS DEAD. (In the ROCKROACHES and FINGERS LIKE SATURN, respectively).

Her brother Charles chose his name in front of me one day in Saltillo. That's the little town where Elvis got laid for the first time. Charles called himself CHUCK MOONCHOW. Their younger sister Louella wasn't around very much. She was gorgeous, almost my age. She had a good head on her shoulders. I had no idea how to act around her or any girl, so she was safe, from me anyway.

Actually I was pretty damn cool, but who could know that? Given the cultural milieu of Mississippi 1976-83. I was waiting for collaborators. These are my Moonchow years.

Chuck Moonchow was my guru.

As I have stated in the Chuck Moonchow interview, I met Chuck at Candy's house in 1978. I was fifteen and he was twenty five. I have also introduced Chuck in my ROCKROACHES; PHASE TWO discourse. So you you're probably wondering, what more could be said. In stating 'how' and 'why', maybe it's the 'WHAT' that should follow. This little esoteric block (and how it fits with all the other esoteric material on my loser-god-site.) can be chalked up as more of Mike's weird little essays on strange influences.

So be it. So bite me.

1978: I meet Chuck Moonchow in Saltillo Mississippi. I immediately note that his subconsciously punk way of dealing with life reveals no difference between the sublime and the mundane. His zen is in check. I decide to make him my guru then and there. Since Chuck has just moved to my neck of the woods he works alongside me in his sister Candy's road side fruit stand on 45 Highway where I learn to eat strawberries and watch Chuck master the flying kick. We sketch barbarians on sheet rock walls in pastel and wait for customers, (This would have been the back cover to KID ANARCHY #4, had it been published.) I start to get the feeling that life is passing me by if I stay in Mississippi for much longer (I still have six years to go). His tattoo "Crazy Oakie" has a story that would later appear in KID ANARCHY #1.

1980: Chuck and go see Kubrick's THE SHINING in Tupelo with my 10th grade air guitar buddy Ricky Palmer. Ricky has introduced me to gravel road beer and marihuana at the late(?) age of seventeen but that night no one drinks. I don't care much for cheap beer (still don't). Chuck's approach to beer drinking is to slip and hide, as if he were eternally seventeen. Chuck is ageless. I remember Busch beer, WARLOCK comics and FRIDAY NIGHT VIDEOS in our new FHA home, but Chuck was too slick to have my dad catch him drinking in the house. He hid the beer can in the bathroom and that's where we took turns. Later my dad would question our sobriety by "eyeball checks" after all night D&D games in my grandfathers "car shed". The same car shed that held the first (and last) ANGRY REDNECKS practice. Chuck unplugged us in the carport.

1981, 82: Chuck paints what he knows: bass fishing, the last supper (all lost)and he and I begin to play Dungeons and Dragons.

1983: My new friends at Junior College (John and George: The ROCKROACHES) have turned me onto punk and I turn them onto underground comics - and Chuck Moonchow. We begin a six month D&D game. Chuck becomes "DRAZIW" ("Wizard" backwards). The game comes to a finish in the house depicted in KID ANARCHY #1 (Fantagraphics). The audio is recorded and lost.


George Cole suffers blow from Chuck Moonchow

1983: Rockroach George Cole and I take Chuck to see "YOR, HUNTER FROM THE FUTURE". A visit to the thrift store that day inspires moments from KID ANARCHY #3 ten years later. Chuck writes an honest poem about his own experiences as a caveman from the future called "UNK". But George changes it to "Let's Book", a key expression from Chuck.

1983: St. Patricks Day: Chuck Moonchow steps inside the Antenna Club in Memphis for the first and only time. (the second time for me and George).

1984: I'm pretty sure this is the year that we shot the super 8 footage of a shirtless Chuck in Tupelo singing JOURNEY WITH ME. In finally restoring this footage in 2004, it's seems incomplete and there is no sound. At this stage Chuck is distracted by his second of three wives who we cared so little for, we could not lampoon.

1984: With more Super 8 film to burn and editing 'in-camera'. I shoot a 3 minute film called "DORM" in my bedroom starring 'high school-gone-college' brothers Ronnie and Tink Nolan. Their boarding experience turns sour when Chuck shows up, arm outstretched like the Watcher, offering doom in my Don Post Chewbacca mask. This film came back to Medical Arts Pharmacy all black with no sound.

1985: Chuck gives our new post-roaches punk band DISTEMPER it's name.

1985: At art school I create a bronze statue of the pirate Black Michael (I clung to pulp as Linus would a security blanket). But still, his stature, his face, is that of Chuck Moonchow.

1985: Our latest 'soon-to-be-defunct' ; 'one-off clique' the BATPUNKS travels to Tupelo to play D&D with Chuck. The photo booth shots at McCrory's in the Tupelo Mall are some of the best. It is our last game.

1988, 89: I interview Chuck over the phone and meticulously transcribe everything he says onto paper. This interview is published in POPCORN, a limited run fanzine initially only given to the groomsmen at my wedding.

1989: George Cole and I write and draw five pages of KID ANARCHY and show it Gary Groth. This leads to three issues (1990-1993). Chuck Moonchow is a main character. His dialogue is almost verbatim from the interview tapes.

1992: I write a song called CANDY & THE GANG about Chucks sister and her seemingly endless relations (with everyone but me).

1993: My directorial debut DAMSELVIS DAUGHTER OF HELVIS features three characters named 'Candy', 'Louella', and 'Charles'. Fantagraphics publishes a photo book with a 'making of' essay.

1993: Somehow George and I pay Chuck a visit and give him all three issues of KID ANARCHY. Therein a cameo by his third wife. Chuck loses the comics in another move.

George writes the script for KID ANARCY #4 which I never draw. Chuck was to be featured on the cover.

1995: My mother passes away while I am editing TEENAGE TUPELO. Candy, Louella, and Chuck come to the Baldwyn, Mississippi funeral. I give them copies of DAMSELVIS. In my car during Visitation, I record Chuck's voice (and image) on video tape to be used as Capt. Crypt. dialogue in the movie. (Where is that $&*#*#@ tape?!)

Following my mothers funeral, I dont see Chuck Moonchow for 12 years. Turns out he only lived one hundred miles away.

1997: Artist Ellis Chappell plays a character named CHUCK MOONCHOW presides over the hippie death scene in SORE LOSERS wherein Jack Taylor Experience plays. (the real Chuck could not be found to play himself and Jack Taylor is dead).

2007: My band FINGERS LIKE SATURN records a song I wrote called CANDYS DEAD based on Candy's untimely death in November, 2006. I see Louella and her family and Chuck and his dad Charlie at Christmas. His wanton years have caused him some health problems but he's alive.

Chuck is still "the Crazy Oakie".

These thoughts dedicated to Mary Gibson and Candy McCord.

MIKE McCARTHY 2008


The Last D&D Game: Chip Curtis, Chuck, John Prescott, Bill Eaker, (not pictured: Mike & George) Verona, Mississippi 1985


Check back here for Super 8 footage of a shirtless Chuck that same night singing an original song "Journey With Me".